Building Better Communities in Dallas: Jason Roberts and Reese Collins
Bruce Bleakley: This is your Captain speaking. Welcome aboard, everyone! I’m Bruce Bleakley and I’ll be your pilot for this week’s flight of Dallas Love Field’s Lead with Love podcast. This week, our guests are Jason Roberts, Founding Director of BetterBlock, who joins Reese Collins, Area Redevelopment Manager responsible for the Dallas Homebuyer Assistance Program at the City of Dallas. As leaders in Dallas, Jason and Reese shared their stories as community activists and talked about the Importance of Place (that is, how your zip code can change your lifespan), what a mixed income community is, and how they work together to manage gentrification.
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And now we’ve been cleared for take off, I’ll turn the microphone over to Jason Roberts and Reese Collins.
Jason Roberts: Hello everyone, Welcome to Dallas Love Fields Lead with Love. I’m Jason Roberts, founding director of The Better Block. And this gentleman with me is Reese Collins, the Area Redevelopment director for the city of Dallas Welcome to Dallas Love Fields Lead with Love.
Reese Collins: Oh, thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jason I appreciate you inviting me big shout out to the Lead with Love team as well. And hello to everyone out there on Facebook and YouTube. I’m proud that my favorite airport is championing the topics we’ll be discussing today. So one Thing that I definitely want to get into that we discussed about Love Field, one of my favorite things about it, and for me, it’s kind of a tie, because it’s very easy to get into and use as a family. My wife and my two kids who are one and four, find it very easy. But I also remember, when my mom was going to take flights, My family would go sit with her at the airport until she left and and that’s just one of the reasons why I love Love Field.
Jason Roberts:I am in the same boat. I fly quite a bit. So it’s the convenience, you can’t beat. I remember when I was a kid there used to be an old restaurant called 94th Aero Squadron. It was done up like an old world war one tavern. If you remember, this is in the 80s, and you could go there, and I loved airplanes growing up. And so my parents would take me there, and you can listen on a headset. They patch you in to the control tower. And I thought that was the coolest thing. So if there’s one thing I would love to see brought back If somebody kind of rechampioning that that restaurant, just so i can listen to the control tower again. So remember, everyone stays safe and mask up when you’re in the airport. And one last note, before we get on to the show, you all may have noticed we showed a clip of the Dallas Mavericks takeover of the Level 2 Garage C during the welcome video. Next time you fly out of Love Field park with the Mavs. I’m so excited to I’m not actually used the C parking. I usually use B parking so this will be my first time to give it a go my next flight, which will probably be next week.
Reese Collins:Nice. I can’t wait to see it too. See the Mavs take over. But now let’s get into the show. Dallas Love Fields Lead with Love brings together voices from across North Texas to share stories about strong leadership, respect for diversity, equity and inclusion and celebrate local culture that makes a difference in our community. Leave your questions for us on Facebook or YouTube, and we’ll do our best to answer as many as we can.
Jason Roberts: Reese, I want to start with. You know, we, you know, we’ve been friends for a bit here, and we’re kind of similar world’s. I kind of focused on infrastructure and bikes and trains and and trolleys and, and, and, and you know, places and you’re focused on Housing and Community Development element, and just kind of curious like, why are you so passionate about it? Where was that spark that started that for you?
Reese Collins:Wow, it’s hard to say, put like on a more detailed granular level. It really is just my family in general, from having a construction background, but also being a voice for people who just weren’t able to do things on their own and have that type of advocacy and support. And I found that in my previous jobs and in my current role to be here and help other people do better in their lives With home ownership with his communities, which is a better use of space, is like, we talked about a consistent basis. What about you?
Jason Roberts:Yeah, Yeah, I just remember traveling early on and going and seeing places that, you know, I grew up in Garland in the suburbs of Dallas, And I had seen places whenever I go to like Mexico, City andsee beautiful Plaza with like artists and small vendors and street food. And then I go to, you know, Holland, and I’d ride on these bicycles on these great bike lanes, And, you know, have this great beer garden experience in Germany on these little streets. And for me, it was trying to figure out, like, well, I love traveling. These places, We all go, we vacationed at these places we want to be, but we spend 50 hours a week, you know, 50 I’m sorry, weeks. A year working. And then two weeks you’re going to place, we’d rather be, you know, like it. How do we change that equation? And make the place that we live? The place we want to be, you know, those fifty weeks. And so that, for me, was kind of my early thoughts. And how do I kind of start making some changes within kind of this constructs what I have. So we both started off as the these activists, right? You were with Habitat for Humanity, you know. And, and I’m over here as an artist, painting bike lanes and streets myself with neighbors and friends, And with time, you know, and we’re kind of, you know, we’re kind of feel like we’re fighting the man and against the system and trying to understand why we can’t have the certain environments that we see in other places. And what those those issues are there. And eventually, you know, you’re at City Hall, and I lead a non profit and so we kind of became the man, right? And so it’s for me. I’m kind of curious your thoughts on that. What things changed for you. You have a different perspective, or what does that perspective look like now that you’re from the outside to the inside on this
Reese Collins: great question, you know, like, wow and it’s loaded. But I would say that my perspective has definitely changed, of course, but there’s two different worlds of how the work is moving to impact the community, and both are vital to each other. So I definitely enjoyed my time at habitat, allow that Grassroots Impacting communities one by one and then shifting to the city. You’re not looking at a larger View, and you’re trying to impact communities One by one on that. I’ve also learned that the amount of work that these teams are putting in within the city are just amazing. You don’t realize how many balls are you’re having to juggle the same time to balance out. And yet teams are consistently putting out a positive product. And that’s really exciting To me its definitely different. But the work that’s happened within City Hall to Create this change is definitely there. And that pumps me up a lot about what’s going on.
Jason Roberts: Yeah, it’s funny. I think my early perspective was like thinking, you know, that there’s this big struggle, and that the people were against you. But as I got to know the city and City Hall, I realized most everyone there was also, you know, when they say, you know, starting school passionate about Community passion about making changes. And you know what we’re, what we have to navigate now is with time is just there’s so many layers that have gotten created to make things, you know, probably for good reasons. And some of that may be here for reasons that are outdated. But just, you know, That make things a little trickier to have it like, just in general, like, if we wanted, you know, a house built today versus a house built a hundred years ago. Well, now, you know, we have triple pane glasses and insulated wires and extra firewalls, and we don’t use asbestos because it’s, you know, it’s bad. And, you know, and labor costs are more, and maybe the materials and our expectations and standard of living, you know, went from two bedroom, one bath houses to three bedroom, two bath houses with so grew in size. So that all came with that was this level of, You know, permitting and things that we had to get through in order to make that if I had an interesting equation and talk to our city council member, talking about how 75 to 80% of Staff time on building permits has spent on allocating, or finding ways to get parking in place, which I thought it’s fascinating to see just that, just these little nuances of things that didn’t exist, you know, a hundred years ago, as a city.
Reese Collins: that’s so true in, like, you know, goes back just like we were talking about before, having that partnership is so key, because not one group, not one, can make these decisions and constantly creating that environment to say, Okay, here’s why it works for me. Why does it work for you? How do we make this happen so that we’re creating that Community where everyone wants to be in and can be out and about on a regular basis.
Jason Roberts: you know, thinking of an interesting story, and we’re both so focused on place, you know, and making these great places for neighbors and communities. And and I often will do a kick off with with groups when asking about what is your favorite place in a A city? And so we can kind of like reverse engineer What it is They love about that, and still try to infuse those ideas into what they want to see in their own neighborhoods. And I, there’s usually an answer I expect, and I was Molina High School teaching architecture kids. I was like, what is, you know, what’s your favorite place to kind of hang out in Dallas that you love to go to be with your family and all or friends? And I’m expecting like Klyde Warren Park, and I can easily break that down. And like, well, you know, there’s small food trucks here. There’s great public spaces. There’s places for elderly. There’s places for kids to play. There’s a dog park. It’s mixed use. And these kids said, Our place is the Valero gas station. And I remember thinking, like, wow, they, that’s, you know, it’s hard to get to it. I mean, that for, but to walk to it, they’re going there before school. They’re all going to get candy and soda like we did. And that’s where they gather, but it’s very difficult, you know, to get you in and out of the school, And that it’s obviously prioritize for cars and not for people. And so I thought, there’s a whole perspective that that they’ve not been introduced to of the opportunities that exist. So that’s something that I think is, you know, is Going to is really for our work is going to be really important in trying to embed these ideas
Reese Collins: It does. And I mean, he said it like it changes your mindset When you can have these different locations that are available for you, It makes it easier not having to worry about. Okay, how am I going to get to the grocery store? So I can get back in time to take care of X and creating that? And understanding exactly what place is Stand Out is definitely a huge piece, though.
Jason Roberts: Yeah. And it’s like, you know, one of the stats I thought was interesting. Fascinating was like, you know, if you and said is like, if you live in the wrong ZIP code, it can change your life span from up to 20 to 30 years. And there’s several reasons for that. But if you think about, you know, we’re trying to infuse in ideas of mixed income housing, you know, mixed infrastructure, you know, the cost per couple for just a car ownership in Dallas, They say, is roughly about seven hundred dollars a month. And that’s like for registration taxes and tire changes and gas and the car payments and insurance and all that parking tickets and everything that goes with that. But we don’t have. And this equal, kind of like bicycle infrastructure that would be much more expensive. So you can actually have, you know, retain some income to can put into other things in your life. You know, our public transit system is is good, but it’s minimized because we prioritize kind of a single occupancy vehicle. So, because of that, it just a lot. You know, if you want to take a bus to get to somewhere that it might take you two hours versus having a car. So it makes it difficult for people to make that decision. How are you? How are you starting to see kind of this transformation with mixed income community and getting those things built into Neighborhoods.
Reese Collins: So I mean that that is just the thing that we do every day, trying to talk with you. And I know you doing the same thing, but from a different angle, you know, the first thing I think is important for everyone to understand is just when you’re looking at mixed income communities, understanding what the idea of a dollar is and how that impacts. A lot of people don’t realize that HUD outlines income guidelines for the city of Dallas every year. And they say here what the thresholds are for someone at this level, how many people in their family and how much they make to determine if they’re of moderate income, low income or upper moderate in that case. What most people don’t realize is if you’re a family of four, and you make eighty nine thousand dollars or less your now considering that low to moderate income bracket, or look at it from if youre single person, You’re making less than $60000 a year i think it’s 61 in that range, You’re considered a low to moderate income. And for some people, this could be teachers in your community. This could be nurses. This could be firefighters. There’s a huge mix, But you don’t necessarily look at them and say, hey, that’s a person who is living in this substandard housing. What it means, essentially, is that we want to create communities that help build bubbles to extend the reach and the use of certain areas. So a lot of people will look at our market value analysis and our housing policies that we put in place at housing and what you’ll see are these different investment areas that we have throughout, where we’re trying to expand that bubble with these mixed income families. And the whole reason is because that’s how these communities survive and stay strong. Everyone in every bracket may or may not use a grocery store. Some people may get it delivered. Every one may or may not use that local convenience store that you referenced earlier, but by having a mixed income community, there’s multiple sources supporting that so that entire area can grow up as a whole and its really impactful long-term. And so that’s one thing that I think that it really falls in line with the work that you do every day on just, how do you get from point A to point Point B? And just being able to get there by car isn’t the only way for some people.
Jason Roberts: Yeah, it’s funny, There’s a stat We reference quite a bit talking about, like, you know, most kids have to get into a car just to get a gallon of milk, and that wasn’t a reality for communities, you know, 50- 60 years ago. So one of the struggles I think we face with Better Block, is we become so reliant on one type of infrastructure. If I try to modify that to infuse kind of in multi, mixed picture opportunities. I have to kind of take away from the the prioritize which would be you know, the single occupancy vehicle mode. And that becomes, you know, a real sticking point with communities. Because understandably, we become reliant on it. If I’ve got to get in the car to get a gallon of milk, if you’re going to slow me down, because you’re going to make this bike, this car lane, six lanes to four lanes and add great bike lanes. Well, now it’s taking me longer to go get that gallon of milk. So, you know, I recognize that struggle we face, and it’s really this this balance that we have to kind of figure out to, kind of inject these things in here and have people understand. It’s like, tell people the difference between the slow food movement and the fast food movement, you know, and getting people to understand if there’s value in both.
Reese Collins: but it’s so true. And, you know, that’s one thing that like we talked about in multiple platforms, not just at the city, but incentivizing and encouraging developments where there is multifamily, whether single-family where it’s improved streets in areas that have access to transportation or to increase the use of that transportation, because the long-term ramifications are so great That’s just one of the passions that we have to. How do we correct this to help the next neneration down the road?
Jason Roberts: Yeah, culturally in America, we pride ourselves on the American dream you know, getting moving out of, you know, your parents house and getting your own house and getting two cars. And but, you know, that kind of goes against this idea of what the way society worked for thousands of years, which was intergenerational living. You know, where
you live with your parents and your grandparents. They help take care of your kids while you went and worked. And but now, you know, imagine the 24 year old kid who goes out on a date and says, yeah, This has been great, wanna come back and meet my parents at my house, people, you’d be shunned!. And so the cost associated with that, or even the loss of that culture you think about, like a Little Italy or China Town, or something that has this intergenerational construct, and how that that’s manifested into the infrastructure into the way the streets look the gateways that you enter into. And all those things There is obviously an upside to the way we’ve developed. But it also has this you know, we are missing certain things. People talk about this loss of character and identity. And I think that can often comes with this constantly trading in one place for the next, and then getting away from kind of that family bubble that we all kind of lived in.
Reese Collins: No, I know you’re spot-on, and that all funnels into the fact of a lot of us don’t realize that just by having a home ownership or that Community feel you’re breaking a lot generational issues that were happening in families lives where they have that environment to come home to. Do homework, then go play with friends to being a location of their coming to consistently. There’s been a lot of studies that just outline that when you have a consistent place that you’re consistently coming to, that you do better in life and taking steps for us to create that is just beyond amazing. It’s more understanding that it’s bigger than us so that we can continue to push that bar. So it’s that’s right in line with what you’re saying.
Jason Roberts: Well, so one of the, the kind of the big struggles that we are constantly having to manage and is brought up I think every time we start Community discussions on what we should bring in and how to make changes and how to make improvements is the question of the downsides of gentrification. I’m sure it gets brought up with you quite a bit too, but it’s interesting. You think about the way in 1920, you know, the Dallas population was about 210,000 people. And now we’re at 13 million. And I tell people one of the big issues we face is a geometry problem. The space is there for us to create more density. But there’s a frustration or presumption we talk about density. People kind of think of Shanghai and like towers of buildings and people stacked in place. One of the arguments that happened in the last election in Oak Cliff, our neighborhood was be careful of the development you add, because it’s going to turn us into Uptown, and they’re using Uptown as a pejorative and saying, you know, it’s it’s losing character, and there’s too many people. And one of my friends brought up she said, you can stop that development. That’s fine. But if you do, it won’t be Uptown. You’re just going to make Highland Park issues, which is basically everybody just you all all. You have single family detached homes, but the population is increased, and you have a limited supply at that point. And so those prices are going to just skyrocket. So it’s going to do what I think the kind of the passionate activist wants to kind of fight, which is what we’re trying to fight alongside of. So the the tool I’m curious about the tools you’re using, because this is obviously a market-based issue. We’re having to address, you know, a supply and demand issue. You know, we’re looking at things like developing Community Development corporation’s to help, you know, neighbors grab parcels of land, and kind of put those into a certain purview, or also, you know, looking at, you know, granny flats. are you seeing other other things that can help with this potential problem?
Reese Collins:Yes. And I actually hit it from a couple different angles. I would say one thing for sure is the different organizations that are stepping up to help fight this. And its really unique from a city’s perspective, because the city is working with everybody they possibly can to fight this, whether it’s someone who’s just starting mom-and-pop, or just a small business owner of all the way up to somebody who was publicly traded and trying to find these different avenues to create this act and change that’s happening throughout there. what’s important about that is, is to know is that the land that the city does get, and specifically the housing department and put back out into the community is strategically focused to get mixed income housing. And so by taking those steps, other developers are saying, okay, How do I help push this along while still being able to understand, make a profit, but impact the community while he’s breaking even? It’s just really unique, in a sense, because the markets right now, and the fact that we still have groups that are trying to come in. It means a lot. We also understand that the price of lumber is impacting a lot of different things. Although we’re starting to see a slow decrease in that. We all know about the shortage of just the stock that’s available. So trying to constantly push with that to create that type of mixed income Community has just been a huge piece of our heart as we move forward in our department that is.
Jason Roberts: Yeah, It’s interesting. I realize now, part of my lamentation, or lamenting of this was you know, the sprawl that was happening out, the suburbs and things getting separated and basically becoming more reliant on cars and in hurting, you know, the environment with CO2 and the sedentary lifestyles and all those things that come with that. But I realized, you know, as somebody who was kind of fighting for development, that’s more dense that creates that helps our parks and helps our public transit. Well, it takes a lot more education. It takes a lot more Advocacy. It takes a lot more understanding, and it’s a it’s a tough thing to get people to understand, because, again, some presumptions. So I Now understand why somebody just goes like, Well, I’m going to go out to this far farther flung suburb, because I’m not going to have to deal with the community. And because that’s too much, that’s too much work. And I just want to build these, you know, these structures, and the city’s going to provide pipes, and and, you know, and the parking and all those other things. So it’s, you know, I’m kind of curious about programmatically, some interesting things that you’re seeing, because you have an array of things. Are there some cool programs you’re starting to see come about about for people like me? If I wanted to develop something like a small granny flat or I got the parcel next to me like, I love to you know, create a duplex, or, or anything like that, are their studies that you’re seeing around the country that you’re saying would be nice here. Anything like that youre seeing?
Reese Collins: Man, a few. So there’s I mean, I can go from modular home. You talked about adu’s, I would say, the first and foremost, The biggest thing is what we call the NOFA, the notice of funding availability. Every year, we get federal funds. We might potentially get some funds from the current bailout plan that’s coming out. And what it basically does is it helps provide gap financing for developers who are wanting to build enough on a small scale all the way up to a large-scale. On the other end, We do have a land bank program / land transfer, where the city will take land back for multiple reasons, essentially, and then we’ll put it back on the market for sale to build different properties. If they want to find different use for like you were referencing, they can come to us and pitch that. So we can have that conversation. We’re not turning anybody away. We’re speaking with everybody That comes in the door, And it’s really been interesting to see that component of it. But lastly, the one that’s been popping up a lot of the modular homes, And for those who are not familiar with the modular home concept of basically assume that’s already been pre-made, and you’re putting the pieces together. when you get on site. Now, it still has to fit onto a slab of concrete and be fixed to the ground, because a lot of people think of mobile homes in that sense. But that’s not what this case is. And so they have that option to take that route. But I will say other than modular homes, the biggest thing is, how do we create these mixed-income environments with the homes that they can afford? And understanding that these prices are sometimes out of our control, putting them near a dark station, putting them near where they can bike somewhere carries that much more weight because like you referenced earlier, you said it was seven hundred dollars for a car. Well, what if I eliminate that $700 a month? Now I have seven hundred dollars a more expendable income that I can go do and do better for my family, get to where I need to be, Maybe having Better bike. So I can get from point a to b.
Jason Roberts: I tell people seven dollars a month. That’s like a like a flight to Paris, you know, like, that’s like, imagine a month, You know, what we’re spending on, Just kind of get to and from places which is, you know, it’s hard to imagine. It’s hard to believe
Reese Collins:it is. And, you know, so gentrification at theinitial part is is something that we definitely hear regularly. And unfortunately, a lot of people on our staff have experienced gentrification when it comes to their home, not even looking the same anymore. But how do we get in there and help get down there is something that we’re working every day with our programs, from home repair that takes place throughout the city in some of our historical neighborhoods. We have down payment assistance to help people. One of my personal favorite programs is our targeted down payment assistance for those who are police, firefighters, security professionals, medical professionals. There are programs to help them purchase homes within the city of Dallas. We understand that right now is tough to find a home right now, It’s tough to have enough money, the correct way so that you can go and get a mortgage with the low interest rate. The city is here to help with that. And that’s something that’s exciting. Because when we reference nonprofit at the beginning, and even at habitat, everyone has his share Collective goal. And it’s just it’s a huge piece. So it’s one thing that is huge when we talk with you about that. So we can just know how you guys are Moving forward.
Jason Roberts: All right, y’all. Let’s have a little fun with some rapid fire questions. Now. So, Reese, I want to know, what is your walk on? Song. Why? That song?
Reese Collins:i Oh, wow. Okay, so I’m going to go with Young Jeezy Put On and its put on for my city. Whatever this song is like, I want to do so much, and I want to put on. So it, that’s definitely my biggest one right there. How about for you?
Jason Roberts: I’m going to have to go in. This is very selfishly because, you know, I’ve got a little restaurant and bar called Revelers Hall, and we have a band called the Revelers Hall band, Go to Spotify. You can listen to lead with love and then go find the Revelers Hall band, pull up a song called Always There, which is the first single we released with the band. And and I generally tell people if a thousand people listen to it. Maybe I’ll get 13 cents from it. So that’s my walk on song. All right, your favorite restaurant at Love Field. And what do you love to get?
Reese Collins: So I’m calling the restaurant. I think most people are, too, is definitely Baskin-Robbins. Go in there and get some of some ice cream or sherbet. Have a look at it they’ll have like a little kind of smoothie like thing, That’s really good. That’s my favorite. I know Kids love it and my wife. How about for you?
Jason Roberts: I would say LaMadeline’s my go-to. I’m a big Francophile I just like French things in general, you know, I helped kind of start the Bastille on Bishop event in Oak Cliff, but I, but beyond that, to the line for Starbucks has gotten so long because everyone loves a good cup of coffee before they go, I found you go to the Madeline, you get that coffee even faster, and also get like a croissant and hang out as well. Now, what does Lead with Love mean to you?
Reese Collins: Man, to me, it’s two things. Number one, Did I do something today to help somebody else get ahead? And the other one is, is encouraging other people to do the same thing. I know we talk about that daily it’s just, how can we help make this a better place, no matter what your background, where you’re from.That’s what it means to me.
Jason Roberts: For me, I would say, you know, we talk about with our work that you can either build places based on fears or based on love. And if it’s built on fears, you know, we’re going to we’re going to make the sidewalk smaller because we don’t want people walking there. We’re going to put bars up on the park benches, because we don’t want homeless people sleeping on there. But if you build with love you take those bars off, you let anyone sit there. You let it feel inviting for all. You let everybody feel welcome to this space. And then the problems that people presume, if you make things based on our fears, it just makes places where this spot is inhospitable for everyone. So if we lead with love, I think with the way we built things, we get the kind of environments we’ve always loved.
Reese Collins: So now it’s time for our live Q&A. So if If you’re listening to this on the podcast, or if you’re online right now, you can also ask your questions during the live show every other Tuesday at 12:30 on the Dallas Love Field, Facebook and YouTube pages. So look around and jump right into it. So the first one says, do small independent businesses have an advantage being integrated into mixed income communities? That’s a great question. Wanna tackle that Jason?
Jason Roberts: Yeah, Yeah. Well, as somebody who has, you know, a couple restaurants I’ve got Oddfellows and Revelers Hall and Bishop Arts, I say, it’s Incredible. If you walk out, I’ll what I love at 7 am. If you’re walking to my the Bishop Arts area, you’ll see all of these people that are there. The workers that come like our are back of the house and our front of the house. Many of them live in the neighborhood, and they’re just walking out in the morning when the you know, they also being integrated into the neighborhood. The big snow outage that took out a lot of the city like the neighbors all would come out to our that lived in the neighborhood just came. And we set up that we had powered our place, where a lot of people didn’t have power during that big power outage. And, you know, we set up Wi-Fi By for everybody, and just said, just setup will get you a cup of coffee. Don’t worry about, you know, just get warm while you can have access to power. And and, you know, you do the programming to in the neighborhoods based on the kind of the interesting, unique Specialties in the culture that exists in that neighborhood and celebrate yourself as a neighborhood. So that that to me, I think, is an advantage of being a small independent business as opposed to a kind of a large that doesn’t understand. That the uniqueness of that small community
Reese Collins: I can’t beat that answer right there.
Jason Roberts: So what this looks like this is for you. what is the city is taking steps to help low to moderate-income families become homeowners? Great question.
Reese Collins:Yes. So one of the steps that we’re taking other than you heard from the NOFA applications and trying to create more housing. We’re also down in the different communities helping the repairs. So people stay in their Community where unfortunately, sometimes those owners pass away where we have a TAPA program, which essentially it helps families to have to prevent lien and estate issues so that they can actually acquire That property and live in there to create those communities. The other one, of course, our down payment assistance program to provide funding to help people get into home with minimal restrictions so that we can basically better serve them. So those are the biggest things that we have on a daily basis. Feel free to reach us reach out to us at the city of Dallas. You can go online if people go through Google city of Dallas, Housing Department or DHAPloans.com is a direct spot. So anything we do to help
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